Amelia Hruby of the Off The Grid podcast was our guest on a recent Escape Pod Zoom call, which is 1/3 interview, then 2/3 community Q&A, and that’s where this question comes from, and I think apples to many art forms aside from podcasting!

How did you build the audience for your podcast without social media?

“The way I have built the audience for my podcast has largely been relational. Even in Season 1, I had on guests, and they liked the show, and they told more people about the show, and those people told more people about the show.’

This is definitely a variation of “getting awareness off our plate,” in that maybe we don’t need to spend so much time making social media assets or posting on several platforms to get the word out. This way we’re spending our efforts making great work that people want to be a part of, rather than trying to post our way to greatness.

It’s also important that your podcast has a focus, as Amelia explains:

“I work on a lot of podcasts, and what I will say with so much love to everyone who has a podcast is that most don’t have a clear premise, and they don’t really know why people should listen. Many people make a podcast because they want to make a podcast, which is beautiful. But people listen to a podcast because it’s giving them something—entertainment, education, or in my case, a space for people who don’t want to be on social media but still want to make money from their art. They stay because they feel so seen.”

Get on Amelia’s waitlist to be notified when her new book “Your Attention is Sacred Except on Social Media” is available for pre-order!

So later this month I’m doing another workshop, err… pizza party. The MAKING COZY VIDEOS PIZZA PARTY.

I’m still learning how to do workshops, and honestly, I don’t like the set of expectations that are tied to them. I believe we learn better together, so while I’m fine talking about what I think is best, I encourage everyone in the room to talk about what works for them as well.

My rectangle in a Zoom call doesn’t know all the answers, but together we get closer to what we’re looking for.

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Q. I’d be curious to see a post on how you manage to pitch and get on sooo many podcasts, from Teodora.

A. If you wanna be on podcasts, show people what it’s like to have you on a podcast! A podcast host is taking a risk when they invite you on their show, especially if you haven’t shown that you’ve appeared on other podcasts – like me!

What I did was two-fold: I made more videos, mostly answering questions that people ask me, or doing Substack Live streams all by myself.

Most important behind all this, though, was having a passion for what I was talking about. I love helping people, and I love nerdy internet newsletter stuff, and I think that really comes across in these clips.

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On today’s Substack Live I covered a bunch of topics, from the punk rock flea market where I handed out Social Media Escape Club flyers, to our earliest internet memories — AOL, IRC, dial-up, even real-life pen pals.

We also talked through the real numbers behind social vs. email, why flyers and bulletin boards still work, and what it looks like to deepen ties with the people already in our creative orbit instead of chasing more followers.

The conversation bounced between quitting Instagram, starting local event newsletters, the value of a blog over a static website, and even the compounding power of a simple daily walk (got my 10 miles in today).

I got to be a guest on the Off The Grid podcast – a dream come true!

We spent this episode tracing our 20+ years of being online, from back in the days of AOL and Tumblr, through the chaos of Twitter, and into today’s mix of Instagram, TikTok, and Substack. Yikes!

“We were doing things that just were interesting to some people, not 10,000 people, whatever. I didn’t have a massive following or whatever, but it was enough to like get neat conversations going.”

Along the way we talked about how our early internet experiments shaped the work we do now, like when Ameila left social media years ago:

“When I left social media in 2021, people thought I was going to be back. They were like, ‘This is not a viable option if you want to be a small business owner and I proved them wrong.’ … But in 2025, everyone’s like, ‘Oh yeah, we all got to get off social media.’ Like, nobody questions it anymore in the way that I used to face a lot of fear, anxiety…”

We also talk about the importance of having a website, and how email became the lifeline for our creative projects. I also shared why I shifted my paid subscribers off Substack, what worked, what didn’t, and some lessons learned about paywalls.

Amelia Hruby, PHD will be our special guest on Thursday’s Escape Pod Zoom call with Social Media Escape Club Members. Start your trial membership and join us – details here!

I set up at a punk rock flea market last weekend with a friend, along with a stack of neon flyers and some old music gear to sell. I made some good sales, but I also had some great conversations.

A dozen people stopped by to talk about quitting social media, ditching Spotify, or just wanting something beyond the feed. Some chats were lighthearted, and others felt almost like confessions. What struck me was how different it felt compared to sending out a newsletter or posting online. The proximity, the in-person energy, it all gave the words so much more weight.

It made me wonder: what if we built more spaces like this? Not just tables with stuff to sell, but couches, chairs, maybe even a little “confession booth” for honest conversations about our relationship with these platforms. That’s where the real escape feels possible, not just by deleting some apps, but in the spaces we make to talk openly and honestly about spending less time on our phones.

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Putting our best work on platforms we don’t control, or which most of the world won’t see, might not be the best use of our time.

Posts on social media wash away like sand castles. Meanwhile our websites haven’t been updated in months.

And that’s a shame, since I see so much effort that goes into these social media posts.

So many reflections, insights, big ideas, all finely worded and crafted, all just so 3% of our “followers” might see it.

Instead, we could put that work on our websites.

It’s not about “driving eyeballs to our websites,” it’s about having something on our website worth reading. So when someone is interested enough to click, they can actually dig deeper and find out what you’re about.

Sure, that might “only” be a handful of people, but give me two genuinely curious people per day on my website instead of 100 people at the food court looking for chicken nuggets. That’s why we put our best work on our websites. Our thoughts, photos, ideas, videos become a feed on our own websites, in our own ecosystem, with our own branding and colors and vibes.

Yes, you can use platforms to showcase your work, but those feeds will expire one day. You’ll stop updating X, or walk away from LinkedIn, or Instagram will lock you out of your account, or something else beyond your control.

Smartphones ship with a web browsers, not social media apps.

Amelia Hruby, PHD of the Off The Grid podcast is our guest on this week’s Escape Pod Zoom call.

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“All you have to do is just be 5% better than everyone else who’s really bad at it. You don’t have to get everything perfect… you just have to be a little bit better so you can survive the war of attrition.”

You don’t have to our run a bear, you just need to out run your friends.